A new study of 500 students from 5 universities shows that coed college dormitories promote high rates of binge drinking, promiscuity, and porn, not to mention resulting STDs and abortions.
Some 90% of college dorms have now been made coed. Big mistake. Votes: -2

During their first math class at one of CUNY's four-year colleges in New York City, 90% of 200 students tested couldn't solve a simple algebra problem. Only a third could convert a fraction into a decimal. 70% of CUNY college students are graduates of New York City high schools, which are a dismal failure at teaching basic math skills. One college student said she forgot what she learned in 2 years of high school math classes. Another avoided high school math classes to maintain a higher grade point average.
New York school systems are run by Democrats.
No wonder our economy has fallen, high productivity requires educated workers who can retain basic math, reading, and science skills from high school and college. That requires students working hard and paying attention to academics rather than bad music and hormones. Votes: -1

I agree that higher education is important to keep Kansas competative. But perhaps during this economic downturn, we should be re-examining the structure of higher Ed in Kansas. There is a strong movement to create 3-yer degrees but cutting the classes unnecessary to the degree's core competancy. The old idea of the broad-liberal arts background no longer makes sense in a money tight world where most individuals are constantly furthering their education while working. Although I dearly love history as a subject of study, what is the return to the tax payers of Kansas of yet another history, or language, or fine arts major. A cost-benefit analysis would probably justify shifting resources to areas where Kansas needs expertise- bio-science, engineers, doctors, teachers, etc, and away from other areas. Pouring money into an antiquated educational model is not the solution. Votes: -2

While Ray is absolutely correct about how pathetically unqualified many students are when they hit college, cbarker is just plain wrong.

How about an understanding of history so you know what mistakes have been made before? How about a course in logic so you can understand when someone is trying to snow you? How about a sociology course, no matter how far left the prof is, so you understand the importance of values in maintaining a culture? Languages? I wish I had taken more courses throughout my academic career.

That said, Steve, I can't take you seriously on this issue because not once did I see an editorial from you on Hemenway's blatant incompetence. Instead, you express dismay that JCCC's board might remove Groper Carlson's name from one of their main buildings out there long after he resigned in disgrace amidst a massive cover-up of multiple allegations of sexual harassment. And where have you been on the recent outrage amongst your colleagues over the open meetings violations that the current pack of buffoons you helped elect are committing (and I won't even go into the sweetheart contracts going to some of your lefty pals at this point).

If you want your concerns to be taken seriously, man up and expose the corruption at JCCC. Organize a campaign to get the stench of Carlson's name scrubbed from the campus and make sure that the money that is spent on education is well spent and not frittered away lining the pockets of some of your already well-heeled pals. Votes: +2

The myopic vision of the right-wing Kansas Legislature is legendary with regard to everything from attempting to "opt-out" of the new healthcare plan (sign petition to stop the "opt-out" at ksdp.org) to not funding the public school system to their ignorance regarding evolution. There is no question that higher education is more important than ever before and clearly President Obama has recognized it's importance not only for our economy but for the difficult energy and environmental problems that lie ahead. The "flat earth society" of which the Kansas Legislature is no doubt a member is still trying to come to terms with the brave new world described by Dickens in the 19th Century....god help us.

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Parkay's comment regarding co-ed dormitories is comical in many ways...but especially in the sense that the high abortion rate has increased substantially due to the lack of comprehensive sex education in the public school system and Bush's failed abstinence only programs. These policies have caused the teenage pregnancy rate to more than double and as you would expect STD's are also on the rise because of these backward policies. It would seem obvious that if you want to prevent abortions you support family planning services. Parkay doesn't mention his esteemed source but it's more than likely the "Family Research Council" "Liberty University" the "Christian Coalition" or some other repressed organization that no one else takes seriously. Wasn't Ralph Reed associated with Jack Abramoff? And wasn't he one of the 'fundie' droolers that was caught up in graft, corruption and fraud? Abramoff was working for Republican lobbyists if I recall. The same one's who championed de-regulation and brought about the Bush/Cheney economic collapse. Votes: +0

Mr. Barker,

Our educational system goes back to the Ancient Greeks of course and is in no need of reform. Without it you will not have talented scientists, engineers, doctors and teachers. Instead you will have what we have now with many of the M.B.A. graduates who cannot write a simple comprehensible letter. The "return to the taxpayers" is not the issue, the issue is do we want an educated populace that understands how democracy works and can make a contribution to our culture whether it be in history, political science, the arts, etc. I would hate to live in a society with only engineers, business types and computer programmers. Our society is much richer and sophisticated than that. Innovative idea's don't come from the conformists and "yes men". With community colleges and 'tech schools' you will be in a constant loop of "re-training" without a broad liberal arts education. The community colleges can only provide training for what is imminent and mostly do not understand what is on our future horizon. They provide classes that "sell" today and lead directly to the job market, which is all well and good, but again you are faced with an impoverished culture that doesn't see the big picture. Education an "antiquated model?" I don't think so. You can't prepare for the future without understanding the past.


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Altevogt....where have I heard that name before? Oh yeah....he's the guy that brought Ann Coulter to K.U. and attacked Professor Mirecki in the Religious Studies Department. And he's talking about being open minded about a 'liberal arts' education? Too funny! And I love the way he refers to Steve's friends as "lefty's". Is this the same Steve Rose who voted for Mc Cain and Palin? Ya see John, the problem is that you are so far to the radical right that you are in fact "barking". So much so that you think everyone else is liberal! How's that 20 percent of registered Republicans workin' for ya? You just got the living crap beat out of you by Obama and the Dem's. But you're probably a Libertarian/Ron Paul supporter, hah! My god that's even worse. I really don't think anyone that listens to Ann Coulter can expect to be taken too seriously. Read some book's...try something besides Beck or Palin's new coloring books or "World Nut Daily". By the way....when's the next Freedom Works/Astro Turf/ Dick Armey extravaganza? I'm really looking forward to hearing more from the corporate lobbyists for the insurance and pharmaceutical cartel. Votes: +0

Benny, I've read more books than you've ever dreamed of reading, and I did more than just look at the pictures. Also, I had nothing to do with bringing Ann Coulter to KU, other than going to see her when she came. She is indeed exceptional, something you're not.

You'll also note that none of the rest of the folks here voted on their own comments and finally, if nothing else, I post my opinions under my own name, something you don't seem to have the stones to do. However, given what you write, that's a good choice. Votes: +0

Gee John, you sound upset. It must be that underlying right-wing hatred rising to the surface again.... no doubt left over from the teabag charades during the Summer. (You've got to stop thinking about Obama before you go even more insane, especially since he'll be around another four years after we extend his Presidency. But that's pretty much S.O.P. for the Republican droolers and fundies who like to bully others with their misguided ideology and propaganda.

Are you denying that you introduced the laughable Ann Coulter to a K.U. audience? (I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either).

Well John, if you're not too busy eaves dropping on someone else's "list serve" and playing "Big Brother" maybe you could respond to the topic. It seems to me that you don't like Hemenway because he's an intelligent thoughtful man that understands the University as an open forum and exchange of idea's rather than something you try to censor...which is of course what you tried to do to the Religious Studies Dept. So be a "man's man" John and admit your hypocrisy. I'm not one of your mentally challenged Republican friends....so try to stay on topic.
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If I had the honor of introducing Ann Coulter to KU I would also have had the greater honor of meeting her and alas that didn't happen. Hemenway, like you, and your pals at the Department of Religious Intolerance is a bigot. Worse yet for KU he's an incompetent bigot.

And no, I'm not upset, but you must be since you know won't have your fellow yellow bellied socialist, Dennis Moore to vote for for Congress. Next time you're at a KU convo, turn your hood around so the eye holes are in front and you can actually see what's going on. Votes: +0

Now, since I have a minute and this is too much fun, let's review Mr./Ms./Its arguments. He/she/it castigates Ann Coulter, a best selling author of half a dozen books and a phenomenal mind. He/she/it falsely alleges that I introduced her at a KU convo (I won't even ask what condition he/she/it was in to have hallucinated that vision).

Benny, on the other hand is apparently one of Paul Mirecki's braindead acolytes of hate. I assume that since he is foolish enough to reference that joyful occasion when Mirecki and his jolly pack of hatemongers in KUSOMA, I believe was the name of the organization spewed anti-Catholic, anti- evangelical, anti-Semitic and racist drivel all over a list serve that was accessible by anyone with a yahoo account. They were then stunned when their hateful messages, often threatening acts of violence against people of faith, came to the attention of both the Journal-World and the broader university community.

Paul Mirecki, the faculty adviser to this hate group, was the Chair of the Department of Religious Intolerance when he broadcast the notion that he would spew his hatemongering in a special class. Once again Benny is wrong. It wasn't people of faith who shut Mirecki down. In spite of Bob Hemenway's initial support, Mirecki's colleagues brought about his resignation as Chair of the Department and quickly terminated his proposed class in hate.

So there's Benny's first hero, a man who was so hateful and bigoted that even in a university setting his own colleagues turned against him.

Then there's Charles "Groper" Carlson. How much more money would JCCC have had for education had they not had to waste it Paying one of Groper's PR cronies over $50,000.00 to try and tone down the bad publicity resulting from the exposure of the cover-up by the JCCC board of the multiple allegations of sexual harassment against poor ol Charlie. Then they spent about a half a million on some goofy report wherein JCCC was further embarrassed by the discovery that the recipients of the Johnson Countian of the Year "Award" had been selected by Dick Bond and Groper Carlson, awarding it in the process to (who else) Dick Bond and Groper Carlson. Not surprisingly, many of the "winners" of Bond and Carlson's phony baloney "award", including Steve Rose ignored Carlson's alleged misconduct and wrote a letter trying to resurrect Groper's career.

Today, JCCC has the distinction of being the only institution of higher education in the country with a building named for a man who resigned in disgrace amidst allegations of sexual misconduct. What is there about Johnson County liberals that they think they can molest the hired help?

Finally, we've already seen one reason why Benny Profane (as in sacred and profane, get it, he's the profane part. Cool huh??) likes Bob Hemenway, he initially tried to salvage Mirecki's hide from his outraged colleagues. But fortunately for the rest of us, Hemenway also wore out his welcome at KU and his record of setting pathetic goals and failing to achieve them finally caught up with him. A nice golden parachute was arranged and now Bob, after a nice sabbatical will return to his beloved classroom. Just what every Chancellor aspires to.

So there you go Benny. I'll take my successful author, brilliant pundit and woman of influence, and you can hang on to your collection of losers, bigots and perverts. Bring up anything else you'd like.

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John,

All anyone has to do is read your delusional rhetoric and remember your attack on Professor Mirecki of the Religious Studies Department at K.U. This line of attack has unfortunately been the norm for the radical right Christian terrorists. They spew a lot of hatred and then have no tolerance for anyone who doesn't believe in their warped ideology. Mirecki's group was a private student run organization that had little direct contact with the public and in fact never attacked the views of Catholics or anyone else. They were simply one of the many student groups on campus. I think all we have to do is look at the right wing Christian terrorists and their hatred of hero's like Dr. Tiller to understand where they're coming from....it doesn't take too much imagination. And as a society we need to start locking these people up. If they can't abide by our laws they either need to be put in jail or deported.

Mirecki's class was unfortunately stopped because of this act of censorship on the part of Mr. Altevogt attempted to get Mirecki fired but.....oh yeah....he has tenure so Mr. Altevogt's shenanigans were mostly for nothing; (way to think ahead John!) SOMA continues to this day and in fact there is a resurgence of Atheist groups on campus all across the Country...in part because our Country and the world is responding to these intolerant hate mongers on the Christian right as well as other fundamentalist groups all over the world. Clearly fundamentalism needs to be "checked" in order for our Country to move forward in the 21st Century.

Hmmmm, John do I really need to bring up Mark Sanford or "Promise Keeper" Mark Ensign or "C street" to address the perversion on the far right. Let's see...Mark Ensign stated that marriage should only be between one man and one woman....and then he cheated on his wife. I don't remember reading in the "Promise Keeper" handbook that there are exceptions for Senators. This just underscores the hypocrisy of the radical Christian right. They clearly don't practice what they preach, but everyone already knows that based on their history....Jimmy Swaggert anyone? What about Jim Baker? These are Mr. Altevogts hero's.

There's a reason why we have tenure in higher education....it's so fascists like Mr. Altevogt cannot remove faculty members who speak out against those who are trying to attack women's rights and gay rights...censor books or remove evolution from the class room. And as I recall Mr. Altevogt supported the removal of evolution from our public school system or at least advocated the silly Creationist/Intelligent design myth posing as science.

Now with regard to Ann Coulter...what can I say....obviously a psychotic barely able to contain her rage and hate on the air....which any sensible person can plainly see. The fact that she sell's a lot of books means nothing. Michael Jackson sold a lot of records and couldn't play an instrument or read music. Does that make him superior to our symphonies or talented jazz musicians? Of course not....it means there are a lot of people who don't appreciate more sophisticated forms of music. So obviously there are a ton of people out there with I.Q.'s under 90 that read Coulter, Beck, O' Reilly, Hannity and many other dolts that don't have a clue. They aren't interested in truth they're interested in hearing their uninformed views reiterated. The more you dumb it down the more they love it. Crap is king in America. In fact Coulter's been fired before for saying thing's that are so bizarre and far removed from reality that it's even shaken the right-wing droolers who normally enjoy her bile.

Benny Profane actually comes from a book by Thomas Pynchon called "Gravity's Rainbow" (which... based on your writing skills you have probably never heard of much less read). And please don't attempt it, I don't want you to hurt your little brain.

Oh, my apologies....it was after Coulters banter at K.U. that Mr. Altevogt comically stated "Ann Coulter is logical, rational and an independent thinker" (I guess someone of more importance had the great honor of introducing this hair brained dominatrix) and that folks really sums up the temperament and logic of John Altevogts warped mind. A mind so twisted and delusional that he probably thought Mc Cain/Palin would be the next chief executive. This is how far out of touch these people are with the majority of Americans.
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God, I'm just laughing my ass off. It's so easy to get you right-wing freaks upset. You're just on the verge of going over the cliff aren't you?....just barely hanging in there...don't forget to take your med's.

Hey, by the way I'm really enjoying the Sotomayor appointment. Too bad you guy's ran an incompetent campaign....but thanks again for choosing Palin....that really helped! Well it could have been worse...we could have been stuck with that Libertarian idiot Ron Paul.
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You can try to change the subject all you want, but there are numerous articles available to anyone who wants to google Mirecki and pope to get just a small portion of the bigotry spewed from the SOMA hategroup. Mirecki was soundly denounced by the university community. He was forced to resign as chair by the university community and forced to apologixe by the university community.

You've now proven that you're not only wrong about your facts, you're an outright liar and bigot, so laugh all you want. Votes: -1

Again, you're a liar. Mirecki was chair of the department and is no more. Refute that. He wanted to teach a specific course. The course was not taught. Refute that. He claimed to have been beaten out in the boonies, but couldn't remember where and his claims became a further embarrassment to the University. Refute that. Among the postings on the SOMA site were statements that were racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic. In addition, statements suggesting acts of violence and, if memory serves, book burning were also made.

Yes, the University did initially stand behind Mirecki until the additional statements I mentioned above came to light. At that point, both Mirecki and SOMA were exposed as bigots. His resignation along with the cancellation of the course were shortly forthcoming. Had his (and SOMA's) hate-mongering been restricted to simply attacking evangelicals he probably would have gotten away with it (Hemingway being equally hateful with regard to evangelicals). However, the anti-Semitism, racism and the extremism of the statements made against Catholics and the discussions of violence were so over the top that Mirecki's defenders (outside of the SOMA loons) disappeared.

As for the privacy of the SOMA listserv, anyone with a yahoo account had access to it. If that's your definition of private, you're an idiot as well as a liar (and bigot). Votes: -1

Oh, and voting for your posts and against mine makes you just silly and childish. Votes: -1

Well...if you can read John....I never said he was no longer Chair. I said he still received tenure.

Your comments about book burning are hysterical. Why is it that you guys always accuse the other side of doing the very thing's that you either do or wish you could do? I don't know any liberals or atheists who are interested in burning books....just xenophobic and bigoted republicans/libertarians who are fearful of anything that doesn't walk or talk like them.

No attacks were ever leveled at any religious group by SOMA. It was all pretty innocent chat among members. No one was ever threatened in any way. They may have made fun of the fundies....but so what? They were on a private list serve. So the reality is that you couldn't stand the idea that there were atheists on campus in a private group and you tried to find a way to either fire Mirecki or shut down the group. Mirecki continues to receive tenure and I seriously doubt if it's slowed SOMA down any. Like I said before there has been a resurgence of atheist groups on campuses across the Country in reaction to the Christian fundamentalists and their attacks on gays, women's rights....and it would seem atheist groups themselves who you evidently don't believe should have free speech rights.

The list service was specifically for SOMA members and anyone else that was interested in their views. It wasn't intended for use as a tool against the free speech rights of others.

Well John....if that's the best you can do at "spin" I'm afraid I'm not very impressed.
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"Well...if you can read John....I never said he was no longer Chair. I said he still received tenure."

Splitting hairs is about the closest you've come to the truth.

"Your comments about book burning are hysterical."

There were explicit statements made about burning Bibles. These comments were made in the context of assaulting the Gideons who came on campus to distribute Bibles.

"No attacks were ever leveled at any religious group by SOMA. It was all pretty innocent chat among members. No one was ever threatened in any way. They were on a private list serve."

Lie, lie, lie, and lie. No many times you deny it, no matter how many times you childishly mark a plus for your comments and a minus for those who expose your lies, you're still a gigantic liar.

Google the stories about that event and there are a variety of direct quotes made by Mirecki attacking Catholics and evangelicals and supporting statements made by others that suggested acts of physical violence against people of faith. In addition, other members made statements that were racist and anti-Semitic on a very public site that anyone with a Yahoo account could access. (I've now mentioned that several times. Either you can't read, don't understand, or think if you continue to lie through your teeth often enough it will make you more believable.)

If this was all just innocent chatter why was Mirecki stripped of his chairmanship, why was his course canceled? You keep dodging those issues and lying about them. The answer is that it wasn't innocent. It was hateful. It was bigoted, and the university as a whole, not a group of evangelicals, denounced Mirecki and his little acolytes of hate for the narrow-minded bigots that they were. Mirecki himself apologized for the hatefulness of his remarks and stepped down in disgrace from his chairmanship. It's all there in the public record.

The only thing you said that wasn't a lie was that I would love to see SOMA shut down. I could care less what their personal religious beliefs are, but I detest bigots and KUSOMA was no different than the KKK, or any other crypto-Nazi hate group. As for impressing you, you're simply too stupid to worry about, but keep teeing up the softballs. We can talk about what fascist pigs your little hate group pals are, or how sleazy Mirecki, Groper Carlson and Bob Hemenway are from now until doomsday.
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Oh, you're so full of b.s. Altevogt. Are you trying to tell me that members of SOMA were actually going to kidnap the poor little suit clad Gideions and burn them at the stake along with their bibles? Give me an f.....break. We leave that kind of thing up to fascists like you and your Christian Right friends who attack the Blue Valley schools because they teach literature by Pulitzer Prize winners like Toni Morrison. But you don't understand freedom of speech on a campus run groups list service....so I don't really expect you to understand literature....Nazi.

I'll tell you what Altevogt....if you've got so many great sources supporting your lies about SOMA and Mirecki in order to try to divert attention from your own bigotry...how about supplying some links.....I'm waiting.

Actually I already addressed why Mirecki was fired and how he cancelled the class of his own volition (your retention isn't very good John) and so do you, you kicked up a storm over nothing because you can't stand the idea that in a free nation atheists have the same rights to free speech as you. For someone like you if they're not Christians they are the enemy....that's exactly the problem with Right-Wing Christians they're not much different than the Taliban and they are a direct threat to democracy and everything our Country stands for.

Now go away little boy, you're beginning to bore me with your inability to read, comprehend facts and retain what you read....much less put it into a comprehensible retort. Go spy on someone like Planned Parenthood or the A.C.L.U., that should give you something to do with your misguided energy.
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My, my we are getting testy aren't we?

You said I introduced Ann Coulter - Wrong
You claimed that no one had insulted Catholics. Liar.

http://www.cashill.com/church/when_academic_freedom.htm

Contains several of Mirecki's anti-Catholic statements also discusses Hemenway's apology for Mirecki's "vile and repugnant" statements.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/boyles200511301455.asp

More quotes.

Regarding the events surrounding Mirecki's resignation as chair in disgrace. Somewhere in your pack of lies above I believe that you mentioned that Mirecki stepped down voluntarily. Mirecki doesn't agree with you. According to the Journal World Mirecki claimed that the university forced him out. From Michelle Malkin's description of it and the police response to his claims to being beaten we have the following.

"After university officials announced that Mirecki had voluntarily resigned as chair of the religion department, the professor came out of his shell to blast the school for forcing him to step down. The university stands by its account. Mirecki has complained that law enforcement officials have seized his car and computer, and doesn’t like the direction of the probe."

And for anyone who wants to wade through the Journal World's archives this all happened around 2005. Go have a field day.

The fun part about keeping this going tho Benny is that every one gets to see what an ignorant bigot you are with comments like "For someone like you if they're not Christians they are the enemy....that's exactly the problem with Right-Wing Christians they're not much different than the Taliban and they are a direct threat to democracy and everything our Country stands for."

Keep em coming sweetheart. You keep lying and I'll keep posting a few more links here and a few more there.... Of course, we could move on to Groper Carlson's piccadillos since Mirecki and his little hate group was such a joke. or maybe we could talk about the Open Meetings violations currently going on and the sweetheart contracts, etc. at JCCC. Any direction you want to go.

Oh and look, you got another +1. Wow, that's great. And I'd call you by your name to, but you're obviously too embarrassed to use it. No remember, give me a minus 1 when I'm done. Here, i"ll do 1 for you and you can give it another.

So far you haven't presented any facts. You've lied repeatedly and what you haven't lied about you've just gotten wrong. Votes: -2

Oh my god...you're not seriously going to quote that barking hack Cashil over at "World Nut Daily"...(but hey I hear he's making progress on the Vince Foster case). Cashil gets paid to lie and spin for the far right loons....that's his job. No, sorry John I'm not going to acknowledge any fiction regarding Cashil's conspiracy theories. Your other quote is National Review (Nazi central) which I don't acknowledge as legitimate journalism due to their links with the Heritage Foundation. You're disappointing me John....I thought maybe you were a little smarter than this National Enquirer stuff.

No I stated twice that he cancelled the class of his own volition. The part where he resigned was because of your smear campaign.

Are you actually expecting me to take Michelle Malkin seriously? Do you understand or have any inkling what responsible journalism is or understand it's standards? I'll tell you what...if you can find something from the Wall Street Journal I will at least respect their journalistic standards. Michelle Malkin....get real.

"For someone like you if they're not Christians they are the enemy....that's exactly the problem with Right-Wing Christians they're not much different than the Taliban and they are a direct threat to democracy and everything our Country stands for."

And your point is??? Fundamentalist Christians are America's Taliban....I don't think most rational people would disagree with that statement, it's just consistent with a dogma that ignores everything we've learned since the enlightenment. It's a refusal to consider any other point of view. This is pretty basic stuff Johnny. And their violence against Dr. George Tiller is proof of their terrorism, there are certainly many more examples.
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Ya know John...it occurs to me....didn't you give your speech about Ann Coulter...AFTER she gave her speech? And wouldn't that have been about the time everyone was getting up out of their chairs to leave? It doesn't seem like very good timing from here old sport. Oh....I get it.....it's the leather clad Ms. Coulter you were waiting for backstage....I've heard she's "easy"...and I'm sure she enjoyed your pandering. Well whatever you're into John...I never really enjoyed pain myself....but then I'm not a Republican.

Hey by the way...how's your campaign going to register people of color east of Troost Avenue? Oh wait....they all voted for Obama....well I guess that didn't pan-out so well....a small miscalculation on your part. I guess they just didn't want to pull themselves up and out of poverty by voting Republican...ingrates. Still....I'm sure you know best....you're a shrewd politico.
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"Vile and repugnant" Say it with me kids, "vile and repugnant". That's what how ol' Beanie Bob Hemenway described the "innocent chat" on the SOMA site. "Vile and repugnant". Maybe Bob's a fundie at heart (although you did write that he was an "intelligent thoughtful man that understands the University as an open forum and exchange of idea's (sic))" .

But now who's the liar, Hemenway, or Mirecki? Mirecki says he got forced out as Chair and Hemenway says he stepped down. They can't both be telling the truth. Somewhere in this drivel you wrote you said "he resigned was because of your smear campaign". Does that mean that you think Mirecki's lying? And are you arguing that Hemenway and the university community were duped, that they turned on Mirecki and SOMA and denounced the comments on your site as "vile and repugnant" without evidence?

And what's with the voter registration east of Troost Avenue bit? Are you now saying that every person of color east of Troost lives in poverty and voted for Obama? That's the kind of stereotyping that's sort of reminiscent of what, I believe the Grand Kleagle of SOMA said something about too many people of color in the world for his taste. Wasn't that the comment? It's been around 4 years, but that was one of the comments that got the "vile and repugnant" description. Oh, and that's yet another error of fact. I have never been involved in anything having to do with registering people in Jackson County, being a resident of Wyandotte County on the Kansas side as it were. Have you considered a course in reading for comprehension?

The good news is that you're not alone over in Johnson County. they have the Meneillyite hate group over here and you'd fit right in. One bit of advice tho, they've got some nice Jewish folks who have joined so you're going to have to keep the anti-Semitic stuff to a dull roar and you're a little too close to Troost around here to do a whole of stereotyping about who people of color are financially and who they vote for not to mention the fact that there are a lot of "people of color" who live elsewhere besides "east of Troost", Overland Park for instance. Votes: +0

From various stories in the Lawrence Journal World:

"Mirecki became a political lightning rod after his new course was announced and his derisive comments on an Internet message board about conservative Christians and Catholics were later widely distributed."

"Mirecki said his career was ruined and that "speaking engagements that I had lined up now have been canceled.""

"He said he was not pleased with the sheriff's investigation because he had been "treated more like a criminal than a victim.""

"But Mirecki said the university had done little to back him and that he was fired as department chairman because he had the "temerity to challenge the power of the religious right in Kansas and the university capitulated to demands of the conservative minority."

He said he felt let down by the administration and colleagues who sought his resignation Tuesday."

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"Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley of Topeka called Mirecki's e-mails "disturbing and inexcusable" and said the professor has damaged civil discourse in Kansas.

"Mirecki has disgraced a department and university which is otherwise a beacon of tolerance and acceptance."

"Altevogt said cutting the course was the wrong outcome."

"But Atty. Gen. Phill Kline, a conservative Republican, said he was surprised KU pulled the class and defended Mirecki's right to free speech."

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In a statement released Thursday, KU Chancellor Robert Hemenway said: "I want to be clear that I personally find Professor Mirecki's e-mail comments repugnant and vile. They do not represent my views nor the views of this university."

The elective course had 25 students enrolled when it was canceled. And KU's Provost David Shulenburger said Thursday the course may be offered in the future, though not by Mirecki."

Mirecki, "I made a mistake in not leading by example, in this student organization e-mail forum, the importance of discussing differing viewpoints in a civil and respectful manner."


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Bottom line, conservatives were not interested in silencing debate. We were combating the bigotry, racism, anti-Semitism and hate-mongering of Paul Mirecki and KUSOMA.


We've seen from Benny's comments the closed-minded intolerance of a bigot who refuses to read for him/her/itself the direct quotes of his/her/its hero Paul Mirecki. 4 years later he/she/it argues that the hatemongering that repulsed an entire university campus from it's Chancellor to Mirecki's own colleagues who demanded his resignation as chair (I believe Paul's version of that story) was innocent banter. Benny isn't on here for debate, he's a troll. No evidence will be sufficient to get through his/her/its thick skull that racism, anti-Semitism and religious intolerance are wrong and that he/she/it is no different than David Duke, or any other narrow-minded bigot. Votes: +0

"I have never been involved in anything having to do with registering people"-John Altevogt.

Hmmm, that's funny. Let's see... according to CBS News " In 2002, we told you about the independent (read fascist) work of Republican "consultant" John Altevogt of Kansas who ran provocative radio ads targeted at African American voters" Clearly an attempt to suppress the black vote by attempting to register them as Republicans. "Altevogt's "Council for Better Government" (a 527 tax write-off) is spending $300, 000 on ads in four states with ads targeting Hispanic voters with a similar message. Whooooo weeeeee! That's a fair parcel of cash Johnny! But it all went to waste because we put Obama in the White House didn't we. Are you really so deranged that you think people of color will vote Republican? Michael Steele's practically in a league by his lonesome self.


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The Republican party has systematically attempted to suppress the black vote going all the way back to the Civil War. This is just common knowledge. In fact the K.K.K. arose from right-wing Christianity and the Republican party. Many held office in the South and around the Country. Do you really think blacks are stupid enough to vote Republican in mass? Or did you want to just drain a few thousand to throw the election. Your Nazi pal Rich Nadler formed a similar campaign. Well, it kinda looks like your plan to disenfranchise African American voters was a complete and utter failure John. That must be hard to deal with. I'm wondering what other forms of lies, slander and smear you'll be cooking up for 2010? Whatever it is I'll be there to set the record straight and tell the truth. Votes: +0

What a pathetic little puke you are. You wait for 6 days after my last post to try and sneak in the last word then you change the subject after I've demonstrated that you were a complete liar, once again, with regard to Mirecki and the KUSOMA hategroup. Then you make a complete ass of yourself by describing Rich Nadler, an orthodox Jew before he died, as a Nazi. Here's some more news for you you anti-Semitic little pig. You once again showed your ignorance since none of the projects you describe had anything to do with registering black folks "east of Troost" (or anywhere else). You can't even get your numbers straight either. The Council spent around a million plus in around 12 states and was retired long before the 2008 election (so I guess you're right, it wasn't very effective against Osama bin Obama). And yes, in the election cycles the Council was active the ads were very successful, thank you. Cont'd: Votes: -1

Like I said, spin the hood around so the eye holes are in front and be glad The Sun let's a gutless coward like you hide your white trash bigotry and ignorance behind anonymity. Oh, and stupid, get your history straight, the KKK was big among southern *Democrats*. You know, crackers like Senator Byrd. Thanks again for demonstrating both the ignorance and the bigotry of Paul Mirecki, the KUSOMA hategroup and the hate mongers they spawned. Votes: +0

Altevogt, I'd refer to you as a worm...but that would be insulting to worms. You're more like a parasite that feeds on unsuspecting communities. I hate to break this to you...but I have a life. I don't check the posts every thirty minutes like you do. Frankly you're not worth that much of my time. Again your paranoia is very revealing. Hah! You actually make the claim that your attempt to disenfranchise African Americans WORKED! Like you're happy you were able to lie to an entire ethnic group and try to get them to vote for Republicans. Nice fantasy but undeniably false. Now I'll let you get back to your other job of being a "boy toy" for that despicable right-wing pig Ann Coulter.
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I seem to be getting to you a little bit John. We hope you don't have a heart condition....we wouldn't want to see you start flopping around on the floor in front of your computer. Hmmmm, interesting....I didn't know that Strom Thurmond a Dixiecrat would bare any semblance whatsoever to the contemporary democratic party. I think the American people clearly understand that today's Republican party is the party of angry white men like you with small penis's. Of course Jesse Helms would be a perfect example of what the Republican party was in the 80's as well as what it is today. It's a country club for white males whose economic policies have nearly ruined our economy as well as a place for bigots like John Altevogt who hide behind their computer while running smear campaigns. Votes: +0

Idiot, check the box under the comment and it advises you when a new post comes in. You have got to be the dumbest person on here. And apparently we've discovered your sexual orientation since I don't know of any heterosexual males who would give a hoot how big my penis was. That is interesting, the KUSOMA site was anti-Catholic, racist, anti-Semitic and anti-evangelical, but I don't recall any anti-homosexual comments. Are all of the KUSOMA people homosexuals? Votes: +0

Hey, fantastic news!!! Thomas Franks great book "What's the matter with Kansas" has been made into a documentary. Maybe we'll see first hand the far-right in action attacking college professors or abortion doctors. John Altevogt the far-right bigot who attacked a student run group at K.U. probably has a starring role. Votes: +0

By the way John....I just read the comical "spin" of Denis Boyles at the Nazi journal National Review and.......your point is? Mirecki relates a story about being a Catholic that isn't insulting at all and in fact I've heard much worse from my Catholic friends about Nuns, etc. (Uhhhhh, you do understand that he was raised Catholic right?) The other comment was about how the students wanted to "play" with the Gideon's by making their own version of a Gideon pamphlet. Is THIS what you are calling disparaging remarks about Catholics and Evangelicals? You've got to be kidding me! Votes: +0

And if so in what way does it not fall well within the rights of free speech? I guess that pig Phelps can spew his hate speech at funerals of our veterans but students cannot crack jokes on a private list service? I don't think you understand how our laws work John...but maybe you'll find out sooner than you think. Brownlee and O'Connor are complete imbeciles and have no business serving the State of Kansas...they are simply an embarrassment. And by the way I haven't seen anything about Jews...unless you're counting some of Cashil's fiction....I hope you're not serious. Votes: +0

So once again we have a radical right group led by bigoted far-right activist John Altevogt who tried to run a smear campaign against a University professor and has no qualms about censoring books, attacking freedom of speech rights, trying to ignore Separation of Church and State by implementing Creationism/Intelligent Design into a secular public school system, attacking gays, attacking women's rights, attacking the President of the United States, Holding false "tea parties" and "town halls" that are run by Freedom Works and Dick Armey in support of the insurance and pharmaceutical cartel. Votes: +0

Ignoring Global Warming, Fighting 'cap & trade' and other legitimate attempts to clean-up our environment, etc., etc. Nothing new here. Be sure to buy Thomas Franks book "What's the matter with Kansas" and watch the new documentary. Also be sure to check out "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet/ ISBN: 9780060559793. Fight any and all attempts by the radical Christian Right to suppress our democratic society and it secular laws. Jail or deport all Far-Right Christian terrorists engaged in plots to attack a free society. Votes: +0

You're silly as well as being stupid. I did the review of Franks book for the LJ World, and I'm told he thought it was fair. They gave me the book, and he autographed it for me. I'm looking forward to the movie which I also hear is quite good. Did you check the little box below the comments so you'll get notice of responses now? Lord, you're stupid. Votes: +0

No, as I described to you before, I'm not interested in when you respond...so obviously no, I don't check boxes hoping some mentally defective right-winger has responded. You're actually pretty irrelevant Altevogt. I check the posting's when I'm in the mood not when you attempt to write a coherent response. It usually doesn't take much of my time to address the spin and attempts at obfuscation. In fact there's a kid down the street who's about 12 and I think I might turn part of this over to him....it wouldn't be much of a challenge...but it would be good training for a future activist. Now go crawl back under your rock. Votes: +0

Go get the 12 year old. He's smarter than you are, and less transparent. He'd have to be. Votes: +1

Here's a thought, go get the 12 year old and have him read this thread to you and get his assessment of how well you've presented yourself. As I said at the top you have two modes. 1. You're a liar. 2. You're just wrong and completely clueless. 3. You're a narrow-minded bigot who has spent way too little time out of his playpen to be allowed to go outside and play. The 12 year old should be able to point out to you which is which. Votes: +1

Oops, sorry, I decided to make you more complex than you probably are, but I do want to be fair. You have 3 modes. 3. Call the kid, have him explain them to you. Votes: +1